velessa: (Lion King - Scar - surrounded by idiots)
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Can you believe this bullshit posted on a friend's FB status?

"Thanks Obama and your legislation of idiots for making it legal to slaughter horses again in the hopes that you will earn the USA money to get out of the debt you have helped create. What you do not seem to realize is that the majority of the horses sent to slaughter auctions are stolen from ranches and horse shows. A lot of them do have owners and microchips that lead back to families but of course you have yet to create a plan on how to identify horses and send them back home and you forget that horse slaughter is done so incredibly inhumane that America still hasn't figured out how to be kind to animals already legalized for slaughter, what in the hell makes you think horses will be any different you morons."

My response:

"Umm...WHAT??

Okay, first of all, the Bush administration is responsible for the vast debt we're in. Clinton left with a surplus, then two ridiculous wars Bush started wiped that out.

Second of all, I would love to see some references citing that "the majority" of auction horses are being stolen from ranches and horse shows. I'm willing to bet most of them are untrained crap that never should have been bred in the first place by idiots who can't afford them or care for them or train them and don't give two shits about their well being.

And thirdly, as wretched as animal slaughter may be here in the US, I assure you it's done a fucking hell of a lot more humanely here than in Mexico where they stab horses in the spine repeatedly before stringing them up by a hind leg and slashing their throats, and that's IF the horses survive the 20+ hour terrifying trip there without being trampled to death first. At least here they can be regulated and experience a lot less horror.

The real problem is the people who keep fucking BREEDING horses and then send them to auction when they realize they can't even give away NICE horses these days! And let's not forget the industries that are racing and showing fucking two-year-old babies that are inevitably lame by the time they're five or six and can't go on to useful second careers. As long as THIS kind of shit keeps happening, slaughter will keep happening, be it here or elsewhere, because it's always cheaper than euthanasia, and the people who don't care about the animals can make a quick buck off of it. The entire horse world needs to change. But since that's not likely to happen any time soon, like in my lifetime, I'd grudgingly rather see slaughter be regulated here than sending horses to a far worse fate in Mexico."

Date: 2011-12-05 07:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greenbloodbitch.livejournal.com
FUCKING AMEN!!!

Date: 2011-12-05 07:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gatehorse.livejournal.com
I wish people knew how to SUPPORT their arguments instead of spewing out misinformation. I have only seen ONE anti-horse slaughter argument that was actually a good one. Of course, that does go both ways because a lot of the pro-horse slaughter arguments are also giving out misinformation. Can't win either way. :(

Date: 2011-12-05 08:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ltdead.livejournal.com
Plus - horse is really, /really/ yummy.
>.>
No, SRSLY. I had some in Japan, and I /loved/ it. I just don't understand why it's okay to eat pig - and not horse. People keep pigs as pets, too!

Date: 2011-12-05 08:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] velessa.livejournal.com
Yuck! I don't think I could ever eat horse, simply for sentimental reasons, much like I will no longer eat duck after keeping pet ducks. Too personal!

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Date: 2011-12-05 08:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katzsong.livejournal.com
uhm, what's the reason for stabbing in the spine repeatedly? such a horrible technique :3

Date: 2011-12-05 09:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] velessa.livejournal.com
Beats me...cheap? It is horrible. A lot of the time they're not even dead when they start to cut them up and such...better a captive bolt to the head in America. :(

Date: 2011-12-05 03:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harnessphoto.livejournal.com
It works for cattle because they have short necks and you only have to hit them once. It's quick, cheap, and relatively humane. Unfortunately, horses are built differently and don't hold still as well.

Date: 2011-12-05 09:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kateandjack.livejournal.com
This is the way I see it,

option 1: get packed into a double decker lorry, with no food or water for days on end in the blazing heat/perishing cold, then get slaughtered.

option 2: get slaughtered

Whilst I don't like to think of it, surely slaughtering them in the US is more humane than shipping them 1000's of miles first. The people against it seem to forget that they are still going to be slaughtered anyway. This was at least they don't have that hellish journey first.
I wish the UK would follow suit.

Date: 2011-12-05 10:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] glenatron.livejournal.com
Exactly, the horses being slaughtered isn't the problem, it's just a symptom.

I think a lot of people who get very emotional over these emotive subjects tend to not be the people who are good at being rational, for exactly that reason.

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Date: 2011-12-05 09:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emptyvanity.livejournal.com
My thoughts exactly.

And no, the majority of auction horses are NOT stolen. Also, horse dealers aren't stupid...if they have a nicer quality, broke horse you bet your ass they are going to auction it as a riding horse and not sell it to kill. Guess where they make more money?

Date: 2011-12-05 10:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] velessa.livejournal.com
Seriously! It's mind-boggling that she could even believe something so stupid.

Date: 2011-12-05 01:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stacyinthecity.livejournal.com
Wow. Thank you. Very good response.

Date: 2011-12-05 03:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bella-cheval.livejournal.com
Amen. I'm about ready to start stabbing the idiots who say such BS in the spine myself...

Date: 2011-12-05 03:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harnessphoto.livejournal.com
This comment alone makes me want to add you :)

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Date: 2011-12-05 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] megfuzzle.livejournal.com
I am reading a book about track horses, and the racing industry produces TWENTY NINE THOUSAND horses a year that are sent to slaughter. (that's about a third of the horses slaughtered on the continent of North America)

Our real problem is a breeding problem, and until we address that (and I am NOT for federal regulation of breeding), and find a fix, what on God's Green Earth are we going to do with that many "expendable"/broken down/unwanted etc etc etc horses? The industry cannot re-home thirty thousand horses a year, as much as I would LOVE to think it feasible.

Date: 2011-12-05 03:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harnessphoto.livejournal.com
This! And that's probably just the thoroughbred industry.

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Date: 2011-12-05 03:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harnessphoto.livejournal.com
Thank you for having a brain. I'm seriously thisclose to removing anyone who freaked out about horse slaughter being legalized.

Date: 2011-12-05 04:24 pm (UTC)
lurath: teephs (humansareswampthings)
From: [personal profile] lurath
This doesn't address the issue that American horses are UNSAFE for human consumption, though. The EU has banned the sale of American horse meat because of the high level of carcinogens it has in the tissue.

I could go on, but what's the point? We agree that the horse industry is fucked up, and that it's the industry that's the root of the problem. But I will forever argue that legalizing horse slaughter without first passing background laws is idiotic, and harmful for horses AND people.

And if you think horse slaughter here is going to be "regulated" in a beneficial way, I'd like to see evidence of that. Because so far my sources tell me it's back to business-as-usual. And business was BAD.
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Date: 2011-12-05 04:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] clevortrevor.livejournal.com
My thoughts exactly.

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Date: 2011-12-05 04:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coanteen.livejournal.com
OBAMA WILL EAT YOUR HORSE!

Date: 2011-12-05 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yoshikochan.livejournal.com
Wow, thanks for the info. This is an issue I didn't know about. It's good you challenged her - misinformation on Facebook is rampant and appalling.

Date: 2011-12-05 11:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bighooves.livejournal.com
To be honest, I've washed my hands of the whole horse slaughter debate. I decided I was getting too upset over something that is too big for me to control, and it's better for my health and my sanity to step back from it.

I believe that if horses are going to be slaughtered for human consumption, there need to be better regulations/procedures in place, and the EU is right to ban American horsemeat.

Date: 2011-12-06 01:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hotarumusume.livejournal.com
THANK YOU! I just had this exact same argument on facebook.

Date: 2011-12-06 02:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beybladesabre.livejournal.com
A couple years ago I came across a video of a local slaughterhouse with very detailed descriptions of what was happening in the video and a fascinating write up on how exactly they monitor the slaughterhouses to make sure they're "humane." I really wish I could find it, i was surprised to discover that to be considered "humane" only 60% of the horses had to be rendered unconscious on the first shot of the bolt gun, and the video was sort of a time elapsed thing keeping track of that percentage. It was *very* interesting if you could distance yourself emotionally from what was actually happening. At one point in the video, one of the still conscious horses was strung up by a hind leg and when the worked went to slit her throat, that mare kicked the ever loving SHIT out of the guy, and he ended up in the hospital. Oh, the irony:P

Date: 2011-12-06 03:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xihateyourx.livejournal.com
A-freaking-men!

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