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Dec. 4th, 2011 11:08 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
Can you believe this bullshit posted on a friend's FB status?
"Thanks Obama and your legislation of idiots for making it legal to slaughter horses again in the hopes that you will earn the USA money to get out of the debt you have helped create. What you do not seem to realize is that the majority of the horses sent to slaughter auctions are stolen from ranches and horse shows. A lot of them do have owners and microchips that lead back to families but of course you have yet to create a plan on how to identify horses and send them back home and you forget that horse slaughter is done so incredibly inhumane that America still hasn't figured out how to be kind to animals already legalized for slaughter, what in the hell makes you think horses will be any different you morons."
My response:
"Umm...WHAT??
Okay, first of all, the Bush administration is responsible for the vast debt we're in. Clinton left with a surplus, then two ridiculous wars Bush started wiped that out.
Second of all, I would love to see some references citing that "the majority" of auction horses are being stolen from ranches and horse shows. I'm willing to bet most of them are untrained crap that never should have been bred in the first place by idiots who can't afford them or care for them or train them and don't give two shits about their well being.
And thirdly, as wretched as animal slaughter may be here in the US, I assure you it's done a fucking hell of a lot more humanely here than in Mexico where they stab horses in the spine repeatedly before stringing them up by a hind leg and slashing their throats, and that's IF the horses survive the 20+ hour terrifying trip there without being trampled to death first. At least here they can be regulated and experience a lot less horror.
The real problem is the people who keep fucking BREEDING horses and then send them to auction when they realize they can't even give away NICE horses these days! And let's not forget the industries that are racing and showing fucking two-year-old babies that are inevitably lame by the time they're five or six and can't go on to useful second careers. As long as THIS kind of shit keeps happening, slaughter will keep happening, be it here or elsewhere, because it's always cheaper than euthanasia, and the people who don't care about the animals can make a quick buck off of it. The entire horse world needs to change. But since that's not likely to happen any time soon, like in my lifetime, I'd grudgingly rather see slaughter be regulated here than sending horses to a far worse fate in Mexico."
"Thanks Obama and your legislation of idiots for making it legal to slaughter horses again in the hopes that you will earn the USA money to get out of the debt you have helped create. What you do not seem to realize is that the majority of the horses sent to slaughter auctions are stolen from ranches and horse shows. A lot of them do have owners and microchips that lead back to families but of course you have yet to create a plan on how to identify horses and send them back home and you forget that horse slaughter is done so incredibly inhumane that America still hasn't figured out how to be kind to animals already legalized for slaughter, what in the hell makes you think horses will be any different you morons."
My response:
"Umm...WHAT??
Okay, first of all, the Bush administration is responsible for the vast debt we're in. Clinton left with a surplus, then two ridiculous wars Bush started wiped that out.
Second of all, I would love to see some references citing that "the majority" of auction horses are being stolen from ranches and horse shows. I'm willing to bet most of them are untrained crap that never should have been bred in the first place by idiots who can't afford them or care for them or train them and don't give two shits about their well being.
And thirdly, as wretched as animal slaughter may be here in the US, I assure you it's done a fucking hell of a lot more humanely here than in Mexico where they stab horses in the spine repeatedly before stringing them up by a hind leg and slashing their throats, and that's IF the horses survive the 20+ hour terrifying trip there without being trampled to death first. At least here they can be regulated and experience a lot less horror.
The real problem is the people who keep fucking BREEDING horses and then send them to auction when they realize they can't even give away NICE horses these days! And let's not forget the industries that are racing and showing fucking two-year-old babies that are inevitably lame by the time they're five or six and can't go on to useful second careers. As long as THIS kind of shit keeps happening, slaughter will keep happening, be it here or elsewhere, because it's always cheaper than euthanasia, and the people who don't care about the animals can make a quick buck off of it. The entire horse world needs to change. But since that's not likely to happen any time soon, like in my lifetime, I'd grudgingly rather see slaughter be regulated here than sending horses to a far worse fate in Mexico."
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Date: 2011-12-05 08:14 am (UTC)>.>
No, SRSLY. I had some in Japan, and I /loved/ it. I just don't understand why it's okay to eat pig - and not horse. People keep pigs as pets, too!
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Date: 2011-12-05 09:31 am (UTC)option 1: get packed into a double decker lorry, with no food or water for days on end in the blazing heat/perishing cold, then get slaughtered.
option 2: get slaughtered
Whilst I don't like to think of it, surely slaughtering them in the US is more humane than shipping them 1000's of miles first. The people against it seem to forget that they are still going to be slaughtered anyway. This was at least they don't have that hellish journey first.
I wish the UK would follow suit.
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Date: 2011-12-05 10:18 pm (UTC)I think a lot of people who get very emotional over these emotive subjects tend to not be the people who are good at being rational, for exactly that reason.
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Date: 2011-12-05 09:47 am (UTC)And no, the majority of auction horses are NOT stolen. Also, horse dealers aren't stupid...if they have a nicer quality, broke horse you bet your ass they are going to auction it as a riding horse and not sell it to kill. Guess where they make more money?
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Date: 2011-12-05 03:21 pm (UTC)Our real problem is a breeding problem, and until we address that (and I am NOT for federal regulation of breeding), and find a fix, what on God's Green Earth are we going to do with that many "expendable"/broken down/unwanted etc etc etc horses? The industry cannot re-home thirty thousand horses a year, as much as I would LOVE to think it feasible.
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Date: 2011-12-05 04:24 pm (UTC)I could go on, but what's the point? We agree that the horse industry is fucked up, and that it's the industry that's the root of the problem. But I will forever argue that legalizing horse slaughter without first passing background laws is idiotic, and harmful for horses AND people.
And if you think horse slaughter here is going to be "regulated" in a beneficial way, I'd like to see evidence of that. Because so far my sources tell me it's back to business-as-usual. And business was BAD.
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Date: 2011-12-05 11:04 pm (UTC)I believe that if horses are going to be slaughtered for human consumption, there need to be better regulations/procedures in place, and the EU is right to ban American horsemeat.
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