EXACTLY

[velessa]

Borrowed from ajslj:

In 1787, the majority of people in this country thought African Americans were worth only three fifths of a human being. In 1887, the majority of people in this country thought Interracial Marriage was an abomination. In 2008, the majority of Californians thought marriage should only be between a man and a woman. Just because the majority of people in this country agree with you doesn't mean that you are right, it just means that a lot of people are wrong.

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[nicole-mk.livejournal.com]

I love this!

[randyandrews.livejournal.com]

Well then whose job is it to change the mind of those people? Someone must have done it before since we have free black people, and interracial marriage these days, and no one complains. Whoever was supposed to convince the country it was ok for gays to get married is falling down on the job.

[velessa.livejournal.com]

Uhh isn't that what we're aggressively working on right now, convincing the bigots that gay people are equal human beings just like everyone else? This whole civil rights/gay marriage fight? History shows us that doing the right thing and changing the status quo doesn't come quickly or easily.

[randyandrews.livejournal.com]

It's been 30-ish years so far. How much longer you think it's going to take. I mean the whole black people having equal rights only took about 15-ish years from the time it started being a mainstream idea. The idea of the gays has been mainstream since sometime in the 80's.

[velessa.livejournal.com]

TIME OF SLAVERY THROUGH FORCED INTEGRATION >>>>>>>>>>>> 15 years!

[randyandrews.livejournal.com]

The blacks themselves didn't start fighting for equal rights until sometime in the 50's.

[velessa.livejournal.com]

It'll take as long as it takes. How long did it take the Jews to stop being a persecuted group of people? Oh wait...

[randyandrews.livejournal.com]

So are blacks if you go to the right part of the country. But my point was mainstream ideas. In the mainstream western world, people are ok with Jews.

[urox.livejournal.com]

Oh, there are still people complaining about interracial marriage. Trust me on that one.

And yes, the people trying to convince the country *did* fall down. I don't remember hearing *one single* anti-prop 8 commercial talking about two people *loving* each other.

And while I'm typing, it annoyed the *hell* out of me when some interracial people were pro-prop 8. Especially so since I'm bi-racial and they claimed to speak for all interracial people.

[velessa.livejournal.com]

I saw and heard commercials and protests against it, but they were definitely overwhelmed the tidal wave of ads for it. But they didn't stand much of a chance with all the Mormon church money funding the "for" campaign and making it the most expensive one ever.

[randyandrews.livejournal.com]

The Mormon and catholic churches were both involved in that fight and they both had every right to be.

[velessa.livejournal.com]

So what exactly does separation of church and state mean to you? Individuals are allowed to contribute their funds as they see fit, entire religious organizations are prohibited from involvement in legislation. This particular one was a California matter that should have only involved us Californians, not money being poured in from religious groups in other states.

[mutive.livejournal.com]

Although I do find it interesting that many people blame Obama for it even passing...

Essentially, he mobilized blacks and hispanics to get out and vote, which are two groups that have higher than average numbers of people who were anti-prop 8.

I find it a very interesting juxtaposition, personally. Ah, sleeping with the enemy...

[velessa.livejournal.com]

I know, I find that mind boggling and disgusting...how could minority groups who've been through this crap choose to oppress yet another minority??

[randyandrews.livejournal.com]

brilliant comment. I hadn't read that side of the argument. Obama is on a slippery slope with this one. It will be interesting to see what he makes of it. (If anything).

[randyandrews.livejournal.com]

Yes I know some people still complain. But it's mainstream for interracial marriages to happen.

[velessa.livejournal.com]

And soon that will be the case for same sex marriage; it's already happening in other states and countries and society isn't collapsing on its face. So why all the resistance? It's going to happen whether you like it or not, just like integration and interracial marriage and every other fight for equal rights in history. People can either get with the times and get on board with progress or choose to continue living in the dark ages of their Leave it to Beaver fantasy worlds.

[mutive.livejournal.com]

Incidentally, that is why we have a republic, not a democracy. Our founding fathers were justifiably terrified of the idea of a majority deciding to disenfranchise a minority. Which is why we have courts that are supposed to say "um, no, sorry, you can't do that". Which is what happened. It's a fairly logical approach, really.

I loathe the comments I've read about people saying "if a judge can undo this, why do we even get to vote". Honestly, if you understand the US government that poorly, I really wish that you'd *stop* voting, as you have no idea as to why we have a constitution or a judicial system if you say something that idiotic.

[randyandrews.livejournal.com]

velessa, I thought you and the folks here might like this article. I found it interesting.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/40776.html

(edited to fix link)

[glitterberrys.livejournal.com]

I knew I thought you were awesome for a reason.

[velessa.livejournal.com]

Aw, thanks. ;)

[randyandrews.livejournal.com]

I was curious what you had to say about this blog post.
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2010/08/05/judge-walkers-rational-basis-for-supporting-polygamy/

[velessa.livejournal.com]

Wow, what a bunch of idiocy. How can you read this garbage? It's nothing but one long string of personal insults.

But the answer is YES, I do believe polys have every legitimate right to be married just like any other adult citizen of this country, even though I don't necessarily agree with or understand their relationships. You know why? IT'S NOT MY LIFE AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ME! As long as you're not harming anyone, it's no one's fucking business how you choose to live your life. You can't dictate the way I live, I can't dictate the way you live, end of story. It just boils down to MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS. How hard is this to understand?

[randyandrews.livejournal.com]

From my conversations most of the gay rights advocates I've talked to would disagree with you about poly marriages. I applaud you for being that open minded.

[velessa.livejournal.com]

That's very sad and hypocritical. I don't see how you can fight for rights for one group of people and not another. How do they fail to see that they're still people who deserve the same rights as everyone else? It's only logical. I suppose logic is something a lot of people tend to avoid, though...